4 Comments
User's avatar
William H Stoddard's avatar

I don't know about the first passage you quote. It seems to be contrasting "have done many wonderful works in [my] name" with "doeth the will of my Father." But both of those seem to be examples of Works. It seems more like a contrast between two different ways of interpreting Works: We're doing these works in the name of so and so, versus We're doing these works according to the actual intentions of so and so.

It's oddly like two different schools of constitutional jurisprudence: We're delivering this verdict in the name of the Constitution (of, for example, the General Welfare Clause) versus We're delivering this verdict in accord with what the Constitution actually says, because anything that goes against our most careful interpretation of its wording can't actually be legally valid, even if we take the Constitution's name in vain to support it. What you seem to be calling Faith seems more like a description of valid versus invalid Works. At least based on textual analysis (which, as a copy editor, I tend to turn to first).

Expand full comment
L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright's avatar

The first passage is an example of Him rejecting someone based on the fact that their works were not enough.

Which is why I thought it weighed in on the faith side

Expand full comment
William H Stoddard's avatar

On one hand, I can see how you could read it that way.

On the other hand, I think my reading is that both of them are being judged for their works, but the first set are being judged for the wrong sort of works (not that they didn't do miracles, but that they did them in the wrong service), and the second set for the right sort of works (they did what the Father wants, even if it's not miracles).

On the gripping hand, maybe this is an issue of semantics. We read "faith" now and take it as "belief," because that's how religious people often use it. But in the ancient world, I think it may often have been used to mean fidelity or loyalty, fides in a common Roman sense (as in the USMC motto semper fidelis). And in that sense, the first dudes lack fides, and the second have it. Does that seem like a possible reading?

Expand full comment
L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright's avatar

I don't see it that way. In the first one, they did wonderful works. So they're not being judged for doing their works badly.

They're being judged for what is in their heart, despite that they did wonderful works.

Expand full comment