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A.R. Danziger's avatar

Have you ever read Hungry Souls by Dr. Gerard Van Den Aardweg? He compares evidence of NDE's with evidence of souls allowed to return briefly from purgatory or hell to ask for prayers from the living. It's really fascinating, kind of scary, and made me take my faith more seriously.

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright's avatar

Wow! I have not! But...I have been kind of mentally doing that myself for years...making such comparisons, I mean. I would love to read that. I will have to look it up!

Randy M's avatar

Interesting review. I don't know how much credence to give nde; brains are tricky things prone to rationalization even when working properly. But I understand some otherwise skeptical people have been convinced there's something to them after review.

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright's avatar

I've read hundreds and hundreds of them very literally. I think I've read like a hundred books on the topic in many of them have many NDEs in them.

Any one experience may not be truthful, or maybe delusional, but overall, they have a pattern, even for people who've never heard of other people's experiences. Quite a few people have seen things going on around them that they couldn't possibly have seen or in another room, such as a relative sitting or something a doctor's doing out of the side of their body.

And overall, they have patterns of things that are the same between them.

Beyond that? We don't know. Since this gentleman I just listen to thought that some people had Indies and came back thinking they've gone to a paradise when they'd actually gone somewhere else, even if they are real experiences and the person is 100% telling the truth, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're getting the whole picture.

But there's certain things it seem to be the same between them, and even, sometimes, the same with visions and similar experiences written down hundreds of years ago.

So it gives us a hint.

However, I recently found out there's a YouTube channel that puts out AI and e testimonies, people who just sit there looking exactly the same, not crying when they say really touching parts, who are actually just AIs. And I suspect their testimonies are also just made up.

I put on to one because it said one or two very subtle things that contradicted every other one I'd ever read. Then I look more closely and realized that the woman's pupils were Not properly in her eyes come and I realized it was all fake.

So we need to use wisdom, but they can be interesting. I find them encouraging.

Randy M's avatar

The future is going to be hard on epistemology!